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Post Protect IP Bill • Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:16 pm
http://americancensorship.org/

This bill will allow the United States to blacklist any website they deem against the laws, however this will not only be censored in the United States, but the world. The bill would also make it illegal to put music online, post images from media, or to stream anything. Youtube, Facebook, and many other websites would be some of these sites, due to the vague wording of the bill. This would make Darth's streaming illegal, and allow the United States to completley blacklist the site he uses, and then no one around the world would be able to enjoy said streaming. I urge that you all take the time to go onto the aforementioned link, and to follow the steps to email your representatives and express such concern. I have done so. Here is a link to the bill in question:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s ... s968rs.pdf



Montana's Congressman wrote:


November 30, 2011



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Dear Friend:



Thank you for contacting me regarding the Protect IP Act. It's good to hear from you.



The Protect IP Act was introduced in the Senate by Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, and is currently awaiting action in the Senate Judiciary Committee. Although no similar legislation has been introduced in the House, I'll be sure to keep your views in mind if it is introduced in the future. Every Montanan has the right to unfettered access to the Internet, which is why I have some concerns regarding overregulation. New regulations would stifle the future of the Internet, resulting in greater government controls, increased bureaucracy, and less choices for consumers.



Thanks again for contacting me. If you get a chance, I encourage you to visit my website at http://www.house.gov/rehberg where you can find the latest news about what's happening in Congress. Keep in touch.





Sincerely,
Denny Rehberg
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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:29 pm
Watch as the senate approving this are targeted by everyone in this world who are very concerned with their internet.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:20 pm
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I urge that you all take the time to go onto the aforementioned link, and to follow the steps to email your representatives and express such concern.


Snail mail and phone calls would work a TON better than sending an email, because email is very easily deletable whereas physical mail and phone calls are a lot harder to ignore. Anyway, to stay on topic I think this bill is retarded and hope it fails miserably.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:50 pm
I heard about this bill. But are you sure if it's the entire world? The US is one country, and while it may the most powerful/most influental, it can't control the entire world. But you can post stuff online as long as you have permission from the owner to do so. So this would mean that music, video walkthroughs, anything copyrighted will cause the website to be blocked from anyone in the US seeing it. If this bill passes, I swear I will start a riot.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:00 pm
Well, the bill gives the power to copyright trolls to censor anything in the US, which means that something based in the US (like Youtube, Facebook, I believe Twitter, Google, and others) can be censored to the world because they're cut off at the source.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:23 am
Until the owners of said sites move their business off American located servers. Then the US can't cut off everyone at the source. The government could censor it's own country, but it can't stop other people from visiting the blacklisted sites.

I do hope this fails, because it's a stupid bill that would allow the government to cripple any site it sees fit. If this does pass though, it would only be a matter of time before they saw how much damage was being done to their economy by having these businesses leave the country.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:28 am
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"The defaults matter here, a lot," said law professor Derek Bambauer, "payment providers and advertisers must cease doing business with such sites unless the site owner counter-notifies, and even then, the IP owner can obtain an injunction to the same effect. Moreover, to counter-notify, a site owner must concede jurisdiction, which foreign sites will undoubtedly be reluctant to do. (Litigating in the U.S. is expensive, and the courts tend to be friendly towards local IP owners. See, for example, Judge Crotty's slipshod opinion in the Rojadirecta case.)"[42]


That's part of the SOPA bill, you can see how it could be effective in giving us power over foreign websites. If our government doesn't have jurisdiction, they will make it our jurisdiction (Yeah, it's wrong, but that's the way we work)

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:22 am
And this is what happens when the media giants help to control the senate and any television companies. Notice something odd? No adds saying this is wrong. No adds explain this is actually quite against the Constitution and our rights as citizens...but certain Senators and other officials don't give a crap about that. They just care about money (for their next election, etc.)

Stream isn't illegal, actually. Or well, it shouldn't be, at any rate. If there is no literal profit from said stream for the person running the stream, it isn't technically against the law. Though, that isn't the same for, let's say music or movies that might be on there. (Yes, this stuff gets tricky, how fun.) This is just current law, and also goes for fan music, art, a fan site, etc. none of which are illegal right now.

But, by making such things illegal or harder to get to will, in the long hurt the big media companies and others that want this law too. What happens if say, Skyrim can't be modded because of this law? Or a site as large as say, Zelda Universe, Bulbagarden, gamefaqs, etc. goes down or is blocked in America? Or let's say google?

It means the flow of information will slow quickly and such a slow will cause an economic collapse thanks to this one foolish Bill (and other factors, yes, but I can only see harm from it.) This doesn't just hurt internet users, it could easily have a greater impact than that because without communities that care about these things and by harming places like google and facebook, it will hurt everyone more than helping anyone. Not even the media giants will gain anything in the long run, ironically, they'd probably lose the most. Without communities to support them and by harming the flow of information they will hurt their profits greatly...and not rise them as they expect. So, yes, in the end, they are the biggest fools here of all.

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Anyways, this isn't actually what I was planning to address in this post. Recently, Wikipedia and other major sites are planning a Blackout Wednesday because of this Bill.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/1 ... f=business

So, what are your thoughts on this? Is this really the right idea for them to take or is it too harmful for their reputation? C'mon on, let's have some discussion. :)

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:11 am
It's my considered opinion that Wikipedia wouldn't be harmed by a "dark day," seeing as they're the only free encyclopedia around. Further, their userbase largely consists of people who are informed and will understand these sorts of developments. (Also, if you force the page to stop loading, you can still access any article.)



Now then, on SOPA/PIPA; it seems we have bigger fish than these to fry. By that, of course, I mean that SOPA's text is incredibly likely to pass. SOPA won't pass, mind you, but the text? That can be earmarked onto any other piece of legislation. Enter PCIP, the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act, otherwise known as the entertainment industry's ace in the hole.

H.R.1981 is lying in wait. It's not complete. You see, PCIP is essentially non-contestable because it's about protecting children. They can, and very well might, copy and paste the full text of SOPA to the end of PCIP. That's the backup. That's the deal that was struck with entertainment industry lobbyists. "We'll try to push this anti-piracy bill. It probably won't work. Don't worry, though; we can pass it under an anti-child pornography bill."

There are two things which no American legislator will risk supporting -- terrorism and child pornography. There can be no opposition or discussion, and any anti-piracy law can always be reframed as an anti-child pornography bill; it will pass, without discussion, and it will have the full support of the House, the full support of the Senate, and most importantly the full support of the American people. No one wants to risk being called a pedophile.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the true face of the enemy.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:11 am
But someone could still go against such a secret Bill in court and probably much more easily win that case. In the end, I'd rather have it passed secretly because than it might be easier to get rid of. Think of it this way, the Supreme Court doesn't have to make the whole law unconstitutional, it can just make part of it. It's in their power, and I think a tacked on Bill might be easier to get rid of because it rinks of conspiracy, of bad law making, and amendment breaking.

Also, though piracy is a crime (let's face it), by passing this act, they may very well get a situation much like that found in the 20's when alcohol was made illegal. Everyone will become a criminal and crime lords and organizations will just get bigger and broader in scope. Incorporating everyone, since this is such an easy law to break. Sometimes by making something illegal and enforcing it to such an extent just makes the whole thing worse instead of better. If they really want to redesign piracy laws, this isn't the right way to go, it hurts everyone including themselves.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:38 am
This has 2 bills. The SOPA and PIPA. Both have been passed by Congress (but I think one was shelved). It's now just waiting for Obama's approval. But I doubt that these two bills will be able to stop piracy. There will always be that one small group of people who will get passed it and keep pirating stuff. But as far as I know, this has only been mentioned on the internet and with people talking to each other about it. I don't recall ever seeing it on TV.

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Post Re: Protect IP Bill • Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:07 pm
Actually, they have all been put on hold, after losing almost all support.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/248468/c ... nx_h_crawl

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