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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:01 pm
The most likely possibilities are:

a. LiD is lying.
b. It was just some random hacker

I'm personally putting stock in b., but that doesn't change the logical chance that LiD could easily be lying.

As I'm quite sure Dabombster was back in the day, which I think he recently admitted.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:14 pm
Sigh...

1. Why would I mess up the place?
2. I had access to the whole site. Coulda done much worse.
3. Hackers don't come back, I came to get my name cleared.
4. If I wanted to lie to you guys, I'd have never came back.
5. Why would I put up a fight to get back into the forums after "I" had just messed up the place?

Also, what the hell is wrong with you? Shame on putting chance that I'm lying. You've had 2 of 3 chances to come and talk to me directly, yet you have not shown up. I've made a good waste of 8 hours waiting for somebody to show up. Tomorrow night is your last chance to prove to the community whether I'm guilty or not. If you would full rather not show up, then live with the consequences.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:19 pm
If the biased posts continue, I'm locking this. Lienator, that seriously was not cool. Why don't you show up at one of these conferences and find out for yourself. -_-

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:31 pm
LiD said that he could deal with not being on staff or being a moderator after all of this happened. If we never draw a final solution on this, we can be assured that the best answer would be to leave him off of those positions. But that's just me. It'd be a fitting thing to end any quarrels to a certain extent.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:26 pm
I think that WE should ALL have a huge conversation. Not one where we just talk about random things because people refuse to show up. (Though I must admit, I got some good techno music from that conversation). Still. I think that if anyone wants to voice their opinion, they need to do it on/in group convo's.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:16 pm
leinator wrote:
I'm personally putting stock in b., but that doesn't change the logical chance that LiD could easily be lying.

As I'm quite sure Dabombster was back in the day, which I think he recently admitted.


Alright first off, Dabombster was pretty obvious. I knew it as soon as I banned the IP of the "hacker" only to have Dabombster ask why he had been banned. That is old news though, he probably wanted me to pickup the security of the place, which I did do.

Yes it is entirely possible that LiD could be lying. He could totally be the person who deleted the posts and posted the gore/porn. He could also totally be the person who spammed the forums yesterday. But if we're going to assume anything, why not assume one of the mods tried to frame him by changing his password and using is account? Why not also assume that someone broke into his account by some means and decided to mess around with us. Those are physically just as possible as LiD doing it himself.

I am willing to bet money that the person/people who are doing this are related to this site somehow. Someone who is doing it for kicks, trying to get me to improve security, trying to make LiD look bad.

Here is my statement on this whole thing. I think LiD didn't do it, hence why he's still allowed to post here. The main site wasn't touched, even though LiD had access to it. The only attacks have been against the forums, which was the only password of his broken into.

If anyone has any concerns, then please either post them here, or talk to LiD online. But until someone presents some pretty damning evidence, LiD is innocent in my opinion.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:01 pm
I completely agree. Again, I don't think LiD did it, I'm just pointing out the possibility, and showing that we shouldn't discount it if you're actually interested in further investigation. I only presented the "dabombster" case because he too came back, tried to say that it wasn't him, and, in fact, continued to attend and work on the site after the incident for a month or so. The only difference is, he definitively did attack the site. Captain Cornflake attacked ZU multiple times and continued to post there. I've got a multitude of examples. I can't explain human behavior, but I can observe it, and there are several examples of people hacking their own sites they put time and work into, and then attempted to come crawling back to. In fact, EDN is the single greatest example of staffers "rebelling" on their own site and then trying to come back for some reason. Darth Honeytoast and TheForbiddenOne are a few others that did almost exactly the same thing. It's kind of sad really.

LiD, I'm not going to come to a "conference" do decide something I have already stated my full opinion on. It probably wasn't you, but there is a chance. That's really all we can decide at this point, unless the staff have uncovered some piece of incriminating evidence we haven't been informed of.

And finally, Deku Lord, Darth Citrus also admitted the "possibility" that LiD did do it. Are you going to chide him as well? It's not "biased," I'm simply stating a possibility. -_-

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:01 pm
Well gee leinator, if it didn't sound like an immense cover up, maybe I'd believe you more. Yeah, it's possible that LiD did it, but no where near as likely as you make it out to be, and, on top of that, LiD has physical evidence that was was not home when it happened. You want him to get it? Ask him yourself.

As for "chiding" DC, no, I would not criticize that, as he managed to admit the possibility without antagonizing LiD in the process.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:21 pm
I never antagonized LiD. I basically said that "There's a possibility he's lying, but I really don't think so."

If that's antagonizing someone, then apparently everything I say is antagonization.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:29 pm
Quite right, and twisting your words is not helping. As I recall, one of two of "the most likely possibilities" was LiD lying. You also seem to think that LiD would sooner lie than tell the truth in most situations. Any further replies you have to me will be pmed.

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Post Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:19 pm
Those are the two most likely because all other possibilities are fairly absurd. I said it was either someone unrelated to the site doing a random hacking, which is fairly common, or LiD himself. The only thing not included is Darth's proposition, which, while possible, seems unlikely. The only other people closely related to the site with the obvious power to do this are....well....you and the other staff. While I admit you should be under suspicion, again, no evidence relates you to the hacking, and neither is their evidence relating any other staffer. LiD lying is the second most likely possibility simply because of what we know, and of course, the most likely possibility is that it's just a hacker, based on the complete lack of solid evidence.

Again, I think you're jumping to conclusions about what I'm saying and using this as an opportunity to "get authoritative," so to speak. I'm trying to shed some light on the situation, simply by organizing what we do and don't know into coherent thought, rather than simply emotionally posting chatlogs of argument that prove nothing, and arguing back and forth about "meetings" and "MSN conventions" that will likely result in more pointless arguing. I'm not targeting LiD, but simply by principle of association, he is a suspect, alebeit a less likely one than "random hacker."

And no, this completely relates to the topic at hand and it relates to other members, I'm not going turn this into a pointless one-on-one PM fight, whether you want that or not.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:52 pm
I really don't see how some random person coming to EDN, breaking through a strong password, and deleting only the forums is more likely than, perhaps, somebody related to the site, somebody who knew LiD, hell even one of the staff. Really, the option you named as "most likely" is pretty far out on a limb, seeing as it's not usually some random person, but rather somebody with a personal vendetta against the site, webmaster, or staff. And, forgive me if this offends you, but it's no secret that there is a certain tension between you and LiD.

And no, I am not "jumping to conclusions." Truly, you are doing this more than I, as you have not taken every opportunity to gather evidence (you haven't gone to the conferences to actually get LiD's side, etc.). And "get authoritative?" Why? I really have no reason to prove myself, seeing as I have the position. And really, it seems you are targeting LiD, seeing as it was listed first on your most likely possibilities list, and that you've been giving numerous examples trying to back yourself. Really, I haven't even read anything from you about what *might* be the other side of the argument.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, this is already a pointless argument, it's just in the public eye rather than my inbox. Nobody really cares about this anymore, it's not as if the past can be undone. If you want to continue to express your bigoted point of view, then it will be pmed.

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